Talk:HOK (firm)

Proposed additions to the Innovation and sustainable design section

Hello! This is Katie, a communications contact at HOK. My financial conflict of interest has been disclosed on my user page. I'll include a reminder of my conflict of interest in future posts, too.

• What I think should be changed (include citations): I'm looking to add the following two paragraphs to the end of the Innovation and sustainable design section:

In 2022, the firm launched a regenerative design studio, which provides regenerative design strategies to all types of projects. The design solutions are based on ecosystem performance metrics related to water, air, carbon, soil, biodiversity, health and well-being.

HOK is also participating in the AIA 2030 Commitment, which challenges the design and construction sector to reach carbon neutrality for all new buildings, developments and major renovations by 2030. The firm is also participating in the MEP 2040 and SE 2050 Commitments to reduce and eliminate embodied carbon in mechanical, electrical and plumbing building systems as well as structural engineering designs by 2040 and 2050, respectively.

• Why it should be changed: We are looking to include updates on HOK's commitment to regenerative design and sustainable design.

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button): Please see references cited above.

KatieatHOK (talk) 15:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

References

 Declined The references to these claims all originate in primary sources: the regenerative design studio claim referenced by HOK; the AIA claim referenced by AIA; the claims regarding SE 2050 referenced by SE2050.org. This is all a lot of self-referencing happening here. While the companies involved may act as sources for certain claims (who works there and for how long, to name a few examples) other claims about their projects or their participatory endeavors ought to be referenced by secondary sources in order to refute any appearance of promoting these endeavors. Regards,  Spintendo  15:47, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Spintendo, thanks for reviewing and for your response. This helps me understand what sources to use for any future edit requests. Would the following sources below be acceptable for the citations? The ARCHITECT Magazine source references HOK's participation in the AIA 2030, MEP 2040 and SE 2050 commitments. The YouTube video and Building Design + Construction video reference HOK's regenerative design studio.

Q+A: Anica Landreneau, HOK. ARCHITECT Magazine. Retrieved 04 January 2024.

Ellen MacArthur Foundation. "How can buildings regenerate nature? | Summit 23." YouTube, uploaded by the Ellen MacArthur Foundation, 08 September 2023. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BARH9wcV-mM

How regenerative design is driving AEC industry innovation. Building Design + Construction. Retrieved 04 January 2024.

Thank you again! KatieatHOK (talk) 19:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @KatieatHOK, we can't use youtube as a source, ever. Likewise any article (like the one you've put forward from Building Design + Construction) that is actually originally from a press release from HOK doesn't really work either. The rule of thumb I use is to try to go to an actual Industry Journal that has a proper editor and, hopefully, a proper journalist who has written the article. So, good sources would be Wallpaper Magazine which, I can see, actually has several good articles about HOK, such as this one, or Architectural Digest which, likewise, has this piece about HOK and the Zurich Airport project. Sorry that means so many fix ups! It bothers me seeing so many citation errors too, and I've fixed up what I can. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 06:49, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @MatthewDalhousie! That's good to know and I will definitely keep in mind for future citations.

Would the other citation with ARCHITECT Magazine be OK to include as a reference to HOK's participation in the AIA 2030, MEP 2040 and SE 2050 Commitments for our Innovation and sustainable design section? I've added the potential new paragraph to add to that section, plus the citation below if it helps. The source is a Q+A between ARCHITECT magazine editor Andrea Timpano and our Director of Sustainable Design Anica Landreneau.

HOK is also participating in the AIA 2030 Commitment, which challenges the design and construction sector to reach carbon neutrality for all new buildings, developments and major renovations by 2030. The firm is also participating in the MEP 2040 and SE 2050 Commitments to reduce and eliminate embodied carbon in mechanical, electrical and plumbing building systems as well as structural engineering designs by 2040 and 2050, respectively.

Q+A: Anica Landreneau, HOK. ARCHITECT Magazine. Retrieved 04 January 2024.

Thank you again! KatieatHOK (talk) 20:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @KatieatOK.

It's taken me a while to work out all the principles. Here's what I see, particularly from the Wikipedia:USEPRIMARY essay.

1. Any kind of self-published source, with rare exceptions, is out. So we can't use a person's personal web page as a source, nor a company's website as a source when writing about that company.

2. Likewise any source that is close to the company or source. Which is why those sites that just re-hash press releases are out.

3. HOWEVER, when it comes to interviews, if there is a quote, that can be regarded as a primary source. Particularly if the journal has an actual editor providing editorial review. The above essays says, "Primary sources can be reliable, and they can be used. Sometimes, a primary source is even the best possible source, such as when you are supporting a direct quotation."

I only know the building and architecture scene a little, and mostly from the Australian perspective, but given that Architect Magazine has three layers of editors (and it's always worth putting the editor in the citation, incidentally) and has been going in one form or another since 1913, then I feel okay in accepting it as a reliable source for industry news.

Keep it up. The article is slowly improving! To make it stronger, I think the citations, from reliable sources, is the number 1 priority. You'll notice that articles like this one actually have a footnote for every single completed project. A lot of work, I know, but I think that's where you need to get to.

MatthewDalhousie (talk) 22:52, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

This is really helpful! Thank you so much, @MatthewDalhousie. I'll keep the source info in mind for future requests. KatieatHOK (talk) 21:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Proposed Additions to the Selected Projects listing

Hello! This is Katie again, a communications contact at HOK. My financial conflict of interest is disclosed on my user page. I will include a reminder of my conflict of interest in future posts.

• What I think should be changed: I would like to add the following projects to HOK's selected projects list:

• 2021: Stanford University School of Medicine Center for Academic Medicine, Palo Alto, California, United States

• 2022: St. Louis CITY SC CITYPARK Stadium, St. Louis, Missouri

• 2022: Boston Consulting Group Canadian Headquarters, Toronto, Ontario, Canada

• Why it should be changed:

These are major projects that HOK completed in 2021 and 2022 and reflect our latest designs.

• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Please see references cited above.

KatieatHOK (talk) 15:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @KatieatHOK, Citations seem good, so happy to do this. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 06:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @MatthewDalhousie, I appreciate it! KatieatHOK (talk) 19:54, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Proposed additions to the Innovation and sustainable design section

Hello! This is Katie, a communications contact at HOK. My financial conflict of interest has been disclosed on my user page. I'll include a reminder of my conflict of interest in future posts, too.

• What I think should be changed: Adding the following paragraph to the end of the Innovation and sustainable design section:

HOK is participating in the AIA 2030 Commitment, which challenges the design and construction sector to reach carbon neutrality for all new buildings, developments and major renovations by 2030. The firm is also participating in the MEP 2040 and SE 2050 Commitments to reduce and eliminate embodied carbon in mechanical, electrical and plumbing building systems as well as structural engineering designs by 2040 and 2050, respectively.

• Why it should be changed: We are looking to include updates on HOK's commitment to sustainable design.
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

KatieatHOK (talk) 21:26, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

References

 Not done: Need a reliable and published third-party source. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:04, 24 May 2024 (UTC)